On this episode of The Backpack Show with Chris Brogan and Kerry O'Shea Gorgone, we’ll welcome writer and comedian Jill Hopkins. Jill hosts a radio show on Vocalo (Chicago's Urban Alternative Radio) and hosts the Making Beyoncé podcast for WBEZ. We’ll talk with Jill about her perspective on podcasting, about how she mixes humor and other influences into her radio shows and other productions, and we’ll ask Jill what’s next for bringing fresh voices to new media. And because we love fun and games, we’ll also talk with ancient games expert Eli Gurevich, founder of AncientGames.org. Eli’s an an independent researcher on Ancient Judaic Studies, specializing in Talmudic literature as well as Biblical History and Historiography. We’ll talk with Eli about where his passion for ancient games comes from, and what lessons we can learn from the pastimes of the Egyptian pharaohs (and the Mesopotamians, and the ancient Greeks, and others).